Technical difficulties

126594 Rasmus Rønn Nielsen, The Dudes 12 December 2008, 13:00

Today we're experiencing some technical difficulties in our hosting centre. Issues with so called packet loss on the network have made the executing of matches incredibly slow. We have been struggling with thie problem since 6am this morning.

We have contacted our hosting company, who are already on the case. We are doing everything we possibly can do fire up the match executor.

All matches will of course be played eventually.

We are sorry for the inconvenience and hope for your understanding. We will update when we know more.

UPDATE: The issue was fixed Friday afternoon. Match execution was back up to date Saturday morning.

Comments

352625 Robert J Powell, Sporting Truro FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 13:07
These things happen from time to time. Thanks for the information and I (and I'm sure the community) hope that your hosting company can rectify the situation soon.

Default_logo j-j, radyr united (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 13:28
all matches will be delayed until further notice we don't now when all the matches will be back on track

Default_logo trever mcdonald, sufc a (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 13:38
leage cup and freindiles mathes are all prosponed untill further nohtice we all hope it can be sorted as son as posible!!

Default_logo p.halwey, barcelona town (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 13:55
these thing hs happened time
to time

Default_logo Martin\'O\'Neil, YounG SkIllz 12 December 2008, 14:11
my matches been played but cant see whether i won etc smiley

356454 Tom smith, Speedy Balls FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 14:13
any idea what the extent of the problem is???appreciate the information thanks and also any idea when things will be back to normal???

Default_logo jack bowers, IF England Allstars FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 14:23
ere m8 i dont give a **** about ur technical difficulties i cud of been second in my league but i arnt coz of u arsholes get it sorted out or i will brick your windows. Fukin get it sorted out

Default_logo jack bowers, IF England Allstars FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 14:27
soz for swearin do not ban me of u sexy beast i luv u so much im just annoyed about my games not being played

Default_logo The Daddy, cold stunner (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 14:28
THE DADDY'S NOT HAPPY AND NIETHER ARE THE COLD STUNNERS

Default_logo Dave Biginton, TheDigitalFreak (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 14:32
fc FrEeBrOuGh wrote:
ere m8 i dont give a **** about ur technical difficulties i cud of been second in my league but i arnt coz of u arsholes get it sorted out or i will brick your windows. Fukin get it sorted out
THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT MATEY.
MY KIDS USE THIS SITE AND I DONT WANT THEM READING YOUR BLASPHAMY!

370247 Munna777, Lynnchester United 12 December 2008, 14:49
dudes i am very disappointed by this.

356805 Mr. Winner, We will beat you (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 14:50
oh well. i hope we play.

Default_logo Ben Robinson, Wimbosham Warrirors (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 14:53
OK that`s fine, I`ve already played all of my matches 2day. Thanks for warning me.

Default_logo ksj, Brandhall Coltz (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 14:57
6:06am oh well you cant do anything about it going wrong just hope you get it back on


6:50pm: how long will it take im annoyed i havent played 11 freindly matches now

348936 Hairy Harry, Hairy Axe Men FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 15:12
come on people, it's not like the delay is going to have an effect on your teams performance. the matches will played whenever it's sorted and i'm sure everyone wants to get things back on track asap.

grow up and stop complaining!!!!

Default_logo Paul Wilson, AFC Worksop (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 15:43
Sound like a misconfigured gateway address to me
or a faulty NIC

Has anything new been added to the data centre recently?

Default_logo Paul Wilson, AFC Worksop (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 15:46
TheDigitalFreak wrote:
fc FrEeBrOuGh wrote:
ere m8 i dont give a **** about ur technical difficulties i cud of been second in my league but i arnt coz of u arsholes get it sorted out or i will brick your windows. Fukin get it sorted out
THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT MATEY.
MY KIDS USE THIS SITE AND I DONT WANT THEM READING YOUR BLASPHAMY!
Hmm I saw lots of swearing in that post but nothing to offend the religious amongst us. Or are you refering to (Microsoft?) windows being bricked?

362138 Tom Vernon, Cardiff AFC 12 December 2008, 15:47
have any idea when everything will be up and running again?

374066 Samy B.Ghem, ZeGunners (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 15:48
hope it gets fix real soon!

btw whoever made this game is a god

357212 Josh Walker , Walker AFC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 16:11
Hopefully im still top of league smiley

356454 Tom smith, Speedy Balls FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 16:16
still no news??? any ideas anybody??missed out like 4 games here!!!

357668 Ben garrett, Simply Great Soccer (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 16:24
Im sure the games will be played, but will they be played before sunday evening, and also i hav a game at 7:10pm. Will it be played or not?

Default_logo SeanJ, Arsenal FCS 12 December 2008, 16:28
OK every one was worried any way thanks for leting us no

386674 Nathan, Vale Legends FC 12 December 2008, 16:52
they spelt the wrong they spelt it like thie

Default_logo Dale Dennett, Hull City XI (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 16:56
I AM NOT HAPPY BUT THANKS FOR TELLING ME

370091 Sir. Matt Colley, Mattland Rovers FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 16:57
Hey i hope i've won my matches cos im 3rd and im hoping to be 2nd!

Default_logo joshua paul tumilty, safc till i live (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 16:58
why why why why why why why ????????????????????????????

357914 FLECKI, brotten posse FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:00
ohh ok thanks for the info i hoep it gets back on track have a big day of games as only +1 gd seperates me n 1st :\

350405 MR JW, JWFC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:04
thanks for the info
i have missed 4 games smiley

364929 Gander Marshall, Brotton FC 12 December 2008, 17:09
fc FrEeBrOuGh wrote:
soz for swearin do not ban me of u sexy beast i luv u so much im just annoyed about my games not being played
lol jack

Default_logo Lewis Richards, Cambridge AllStars (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:14
fc FrEeBrOuGh wrote:
ere m8 i dont give a **** about ur technical difficulties i cud of been second in my league but i arnt coz of u arsholes get it sorted out or i will brick your windows. Fukin get it sorted out
LOL. Theres a chav on the block. Realise that the technical problems were not made by the staff on here, It must happen from time to time, + Im sure it will be sorted soon.

Btw, any idea of when the problem will be fixed?

Default_logo niall egan, Mcdonalds athletic (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:15
this sucks i need to beat phillip er smuk and i go second stupid idiots get it sorted

Default_logo ksj, Brandhall Coltz (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:17
Speedy Balls FC wrote:
still no news??? any ideas anybody??missed out like 4 games here!!!
you know ive missed out 7 including 2 frendlies

Default_logo niall egan, Mcdonalds athletic (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:17
Cambridge AllStars wrote:
fc FrEeBrOuGh wrote:
ere m8 i dont give a **** about ur technical difficulties i cud of been second in my league but i arnt coz of u arsholes get it sorted out or i will brick your windows. Fukin get it sorted out
LOL. Theres a chav on the block. Realise that the technical problems were not made by the staff on here, It must happen from time to time, + Im sure it will be sorted soon.

Btw, any idea of when the problem will be fixed?
no swerin

359863 sam stretton, THE PIG FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:21
thanks everyone for letin me now what has happened smiley i just want to now if i wonsmiley thanks

Default_logo Liam Campbell, super liams army (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:22
i need to know how im doin pleas sort it out sonn thnks 4 lettn us know

359863 sam stretton, THE PIG FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:22
who do u rate u r

Default_logo calum , Nasri Allstars (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:27
this is wherid we need to play

Default_logo alex milo, AFC Diddle (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:45
this is rubbish we should have better match exicutors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

374644 Fred, Moenchengladbach (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:47
Gosh shows some people who have anger management and addiction problems lol. Technical difficulties do happen and most games have them like 10 times a month, whilst this one has had it twice in 2 months. Give it time and it will be back up. If your team is good enough it will stay second but if it can't then you just won't be ready for the next league anyway and will easily be relegated.
I would like to say thanks to the admins for letting the players know about the problem quite early on though and hope you get it fixed soon.

350405 MR JW, JWFC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:48
i have played a game and wonsmiley
still waiting on 3

360456 Alex Evans, FC Evans 12 December 2008, 17:50
yes some games are playing dont dis the people its not there fault you wouldnt be playing without thwm so aplogise

Thanks Virtual Manager

374644 Fred, Moenchengladbach (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 17:54
One of my games just played and won 4-0 (suprisingly) so problem should be fixed completely by tomorrow. =) Patience is the key.

Default_logo Sdmartin, Brighton Seagulls 12 December 2008, 17:56
This couldn't have come at a worse time.... I play 5th 4th, and 2nd today and I am currently first...... Please get it sorted as soon as possible.... smiley..... Thanks anyway 4 this wonderful game!

Default_logo Sdmartin, Brighton Seagulls 12 December 2008, 17:58
Moenchengladbach wrote:
One of my games just played and won 4-0 (suprisingly)
And fred, it's hardly suprising you won... the team you were playing only fielded 7 players, and they had no goalie smiley

374644 Fred, Moenchengladbach (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 18:02
Yeah I know LOL, but I thought theyd be with goalie this morning. Won my second game too so if I'm lucky catch up to third and grab myself a higher cash prize. But seems like the server is running through every league game now so everyone should be getting results smiley

Default_logo James Greener, Soccer Team JG (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 18:10
how long is it going to be messed up for?

Default_logo JONO, Jonz United (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 18:17
It is a load of rubbish- sue them all!!!!!!!!

Default_logo JONO, Jonz United (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 18:17
sue the people- it should never have happened- the are hidin summin!

374066 Samy B.Ghem, ZeGunners (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 18:29
wen is it gettin' fix i missed lyk 7 matches

Default_logo Josh Mokojenyeki, The Irish Eskimos 12 December 2008, 18:31
Chelsea rule and mt team is better than all of the other suckers

370091 Sir. Matt Colley, Mattland Rovers FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 18:54
JWFC wrote:
thanks for the info
i have missed 4 games smiley
U havent missed any games its just its so slow u hav 2 wait 4 it ok?

352625 Robert J Powell, Sporting Truro FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 19:00
Some people have absolutly no idea how the internet works and tbh shouldnt be on it.

This is/was a problem out of the developers hands. A problem with the servers (thus with the sql database) at the hosting companies end.

Don't shoot the messenger, sit back and be patient smiley

Default_logo Furhaan Ali, Furhaan United (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 19:08
how long will this be for contact me directly

Default_logo Scandy (Thomas Scanlon), Scandy fc (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 19:37
The Dudes wrote:
Today we're experiencing some technical difficulties in our hosting centre. Issues with so called packet loss on the network have made the executing of matches incredibly slow. We have been struggling with thie problem since 6am this morning.

We have contacted our hosting company, who are already on the case. We are doing everything we possibly can do fire up the match executor.

All matches will of course be played eventually.

We are sorry for the inconvenience and hope for your understanding. We will update when we know more.
Ok. I understand

Default_logo jack, jackgav (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 19:50
hive you need help give me a buss and email.

Default_logo ksj, Brandhall Coltz (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 19:54
AFC Worksop wrote:
TheDigitalFreak wrote:
fc FrEeBrOuGh wrote:
ere m8 i dont give a **** about ur technical difficulties i cud of been second in my league but i arnt coz of u arsholes get it sorted out or i will brick your windows. Fukin get it sorted out
THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT MATEY.
MY KIDS USE THIS SITE AND I DONT WANT THEM READING YOUR BLASPHAMY!
Hmm I saw lots of swearing in that post but nothing to offend the religious amongst us. Or are you refering to (Microsoft?) windows being bricked?
thats funny he thought microsoft windows not normal house windows. (He dosent mean microsoft windows)

341570 Ryan W , DJs Barmy Army 12 December 2008, 20:02
fc FrEeBrOuGh wrote:
ere m8 i dont give a **** about ur technical difficulties i cud of been second in my league but i arnt coz of u arsholes get it sorted out or i will brick your windows. Fukin get it sorted out
You really should be banned for that...Abusive language. It's something that happens ocassionaly, whether it's because of the increase of players or just the servers are acting up, you shouldn't have a go at them. Nothing's perfect, but VMan comes close, just the servers mess up sometimes smiley

Default_logo Immense, Sengebusch United 12 December 2008, 20:03
I have only been on this game for 3-4 league seaons and i have already dealt and handled this before

Default_logo ksj, Brandhall Coltz (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 20:08
sengebusch wrote:
I have only been on this game for 3-4 league seaons and i have already dealt and handled this before
how long thid the last one take to fix ( )

Default_logo Immense, Sengebusch United 12 December 2008, 20:10
suck my mom fc wrote:
sengebusch wrote:
I have only been on this game for 3-4 league seaons and i have already dealt and handled this before
how long thid the last one take to fix ( about a day )

Default_logo Immense, Sengebusch United 12 December 2008, 20:13
You shouldnt be angry with virtual manager you should be angry about your patient.

Default_logo Sean mc Allister, dunloy fc 12 December 2008, 20:22
THIS IS WAT THEY CALL GOOD NEW HA IM STARTING TO NOT LIKE THIS GAME THERES A COOL GAME CALLED **** ***

Default_logo ksj, Brandhall Coltz (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 20:31
Hairy Axe Men FC wrote:
come on people, it's not like the delay is going to have an effect on your teams performance. the matches will played whenever it's sorted and i'm sure everyone wants to get things back on track asap.

grow up and stop complaining!!!!
NO ITS ANNOYING

Default_logo ksj, Brandhall Coltz (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 20:34
sengebusch wrote:
suck my mom fc wrote:
sengebusch wrote:
I have only been on this game for 3-4 league seaons and i have already dealt and handled this before
how long thid the last one take to fix ( about a day )
THANKS FOR THE ANSEWR

Default_logo trever mcdonald, sufc a (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 20:35
YounG SkIllz wrote:
my matches been played but cant see whether i won etc smiley
i have same prob !!!!!!!!!!!!

Default_logo trever mcdonald, sufc a (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 20:38
suck my mom fc wrote:
Hairy Axe Men FC wrote:
come on people, it's not like the delay is going to have an effect on your teams performance. the matches will played whenever it's sorted and i'm sure everyone wants to get things back on track asap.

grow up and stop complaining!!!!
NO ITS ANNOYING
this game is a bit bbbeepppp if this guna keep hapaning oh well least it is not all the time!!!

Default_logo ben mc, liverpoolianben (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 20:42
fc FrEeBrOuGh wrote:
ere m8 i dont give a **** about ur technical difficulties i cud of been second in my league but i arnt coz of u arsholes get it sorted out or i will brick your windows. Fukin get it sorted out
lol this is so funny im annoyed too but that is outrageous. im addin u to my friends list because ye ace and i hope u reach 2nd place.

from liverpoolianben
p.s. everybody please send me mail and send me invitations for friendlys and plz tell me about cheap player auctions because im new to this game and i need some help.

and cheers for lettin me no cos my game scores have not came through yet and so i started gettin worried but now i no theres technical problems so cheers the dude!!!

374740 Carl, Carlfc 12 December 2008, 21:04
Cambridge AllStars wrote:
fc FrEeBrOuGh wrote:
ere m8 i dont give a **** about ur technical difficulties i cud of been second in my league but i arnt coz of u arsholes get it sorted out or i will brick your windows. Fukin get it sorted out
LOL. Theres a chav on the block. Realise that the technical problems were not made by the staff on here, It must happen from time to time, + Im sure it will be sorted soon.

Btw, any idea of when the problem will be fixed?
haha damn straight =] dirty complaining chavs as always. cmon man this is an incredible game go on any online game and they have problems all the time =] and this one hardly ever doess! so thankk themm and shut upp smiley

Default_logo SeanJ, Arsenal FCS 12 December 2008, 21:27
Yer every thing as come back to normal, Things are now working problily

357914 FLECKI, brotten posse FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 21:28
why you all been arsholes over it every1 has a opinion you are all imature !!! grow up.

Default_logo hassan, burnage (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 21:38
will the match be stil on though

357914 FLECKI, brotten posse FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 21:50
burnage wrote:
will the match be stil on though
yeahh they are all getting up to date now

350143 Jarvis, Clackmannan Celtic (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 22:00
if the matches will b played eventually, i just assume they will be played in between future fixtures, if so will our players energy levels be reduced due to all the games there made to play, or will the end of season just be delayed an the games played as normal

Default_logo Scandy (Thomas Scanlon), Scandy fc (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 22:07
fc FrEeBrOuGh wrote:
ere m8 i dont give a **** about ur technical difficulties i cud of been second in my league but i arnt coz of u arsholes get it sorted out or i will brick your windows. Fukin get it sorted out
oi oi calm down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Default_logo toby heseltine, chelmsford orient (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 22:24
things happen and these are one of them things

Default_logo Ollie Noyes, Evergreene (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 22:25
thanks guys i was worried my computor ws broke

Default_logo toby heseltine, chelmsford orient (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 22:25
u shouldnt be swearin

Default_logo toby heseltine, chelmsford orient (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 22:26
is any body here i can talk 2

Default_logo Ollie Noyes, Evergreene (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 22:27
things like this happen from time to time but i guess the difficulties decided to choose today

101992 Lasse M, hyænerne 12 December 2008, 22:50
not so good

Default_logo Christian Griffiths, Wavertree Cubs (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 22:55
so this this mean the season might end early???

349640 wee andy muir , Bouncy FC (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 23:44
well these things happen some times so i understand but i am sad about my games

374644 Fred, Moenchengladbach (Deleted) 12 December 2008, 23:49
I think cuz the season is near the end its likely the games will be played on, maybe at a slightly later time than stated, or they may catch up eventually, but you can predict your players energy level and such so just keep swapping players as you usually do and it would be like nothings wrong except you get the results about 6 hours late lol.

Default_logo Groovy Cheetah, Lismore Lions (Deleted) 13 December 2008, 07:29
i was only worried about still getting my credits

Default_logo chris, chrisclub fc (Deleted) 13 December 2008, 11:56
go on to your fictures and the score will be on there from chrisclub fc

360955 Kirk Hammett, fc bluckbuster (Deleted) 13 December 2008, 17:48
it's just good that they are fixing it
oh.. by the way,
RIHANNA SUCKS! SO DO 50 CENT!

AC-DC AND METALLICA RULES!


Default_logo daniel.avp, Lordverdemås FC (Deleted) 13 December 2008, 17:53
The Dudes wrote:
Today we're experiencing some technical difficulties in our hosting centre. Issues with so called packet loss on the network have made the executing of matches incredibly slow. We have been struggling with thie problem since 6am this morning.

We have contacted our hosting company, who are already on the case. We are doing everything we possibly can do fire up the match executor.

All matches will of course be played eventually.

We are sorry for the inconvenience and hope for your understanding. We will update when we know more.

Default_logo lyndon smith, grease sity (Deleted) 13 December 2008, 19:32
Sporting Truro FC wrote:
These things happen from time to time. Thanks for the information and I (and I'm sure the community) hope that your hosting company can rectify the situation soon.

Default_logo Harley, harlzers 13 December 2008, 20:45
i really annoyed after that because it made me drawn my games agianst the worst people ever

Default_logo moggles, brighton rock (Deleted) 14 December 2008, 11:19
bad bad and badder i think hapens again and again but we are still playing games eventyually

Default_logo Yuri, Billesdon FC 14 December 2008, 14:02
Sporting Truro FC wrote:
These things happen from time to time. Thanks for the information and I (and I'm sure the community) hope that your hosting company can rectify the situation soon.
****

374066 Samy B.Ghem, ZeGunners (Deleted) 14 December 2008, 20:40
its fixed now isn't it?

Default_logo kolsci, AS Joven 14 December 2008, 21:48
oh man! is it fixed yet?

117339 iesto, iestonian 14 December 2008, 23:07
no one blame these guys.to help im a computer genius.have you been looking into the upgrade program?what system does the site run on?

Default_logo Mickey McManus, FC McManus 15 December 2008, 01:41
i have no hesitation in saying the dudes are awsome big respect this is great ive recommended this game to many keep up the good work

156555 Rasmus Rønn Nielsen, The Dudes 15 December 2008, 13:18
This issues were fixed Friday afternoon last week.

376945 the name is connor....and lewis, FC Middlesbrough (Deleted) 15 December 2008, 13:59
how cum i ave not palyed a game this season

Default_logo mark anthony caldwell, Liverton United (Deleted) 15 December 2008, 16:01
ashfield and ashfield united are haveing picher problimes

380885 Jack Edwards, North Stars 15 December 2008, 16:56
Thats awful shame on u

Default_logo ioannou, saronida 15 December 2008, 20:14
stop sending me messages!

Default_logo thomas taylor, toms heroes (Deleted) 15 December 2008, 20:17
hello

25991 Jamie Stone, Exe Rangers AFC 15 December 2008, 20:45
o well
but still
my match has been going now for
3 HOURS
tell me wat dat is all about plz

373799 Ryan Humphreys, Ryans eleven (Deleted) 15 December 2008, 22:24
it has stopped now for **** sake

341570 Ryan W , DJs Barmy Army 15 December 2008, 22:36
Lol, they just don't learn, do they? Yes, it does happen occasionally, but it shouldn't go on for 3 hours.

Default_logo kolsci, AS Joven 15 December 2008, 22:54
hey i think there is another technical problem again my match cant be played!!!!!!!!!!!!!

357914 FLECKI, brotten posse FC (Deleted) 15 December 2008, 23:14
the games are like nearly 1 hour behind whats goin on ?

Default_logo jesper, G star the team (Deleted) 17 December 2008, 14:46
that is realy BAD

329129 Magnar Vang, FC Corinthians 18 December 2008, 15:37
Calm down everybody...

There is no game in whole world that runs 24/7 without problems...

And please show some respect for the Virtual Manager crew members, they are doing what they can to get the game running.

Default_logo lollol, lol united footie club (Deleted) 18 December 2008, 16:07
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Default_logo steven kippax, stevens monsters (Deleted) 18 December 2008, 19:17
it's not like we cant play virtual manger so we can still have fun

Default_logo keith wesley james shepherd, woody wod pecker (Deleted) 19 December 2008, 11:21
get losed your gay

373799 Ryan Humphreys, Ryans eleven (Deleted) 21 December 2008, 17:46
So are you

373902 Kieran, west midlands club 23 December 2008, 15:10
The Dudes wrote:
Today we're experiencing some technical difficulties in our hosting centre. Issues with so called packet loss on the network have made the executing of matches incredibly slow. We have been struggling with thie problem since 6am this morning.

We have contacted our hosting company, who are already on the case. We are doing everything we possibly can do fire up the match executor.

All matches will of course be played eventually.

We are sorry for the inconvenience and hope for your understanding. We will update when we know more.

UPDATE: The issue was fixed Friday afternoon. Match execution was back up to date Saturday morning.
The difficulties (i think) have risen once again because it will not let my matches carry on as usual , i think this problem has been going on since about 10 past 2