Daily player mark updates!

Bubbles, FC Sunnyvale 14 April 2010, 14:27

When we rolled out the improved version of the procedure we use for determining whether or not a player should get the Talent mark, we asked you guys if you'd like it if we were to perform the update of all the player marks daily.

The answer we got was a resounding YES, so we've been hammering away at the procedure, in order to make that happen.

So, starting next Monday, April 19th, player marks will be updated daily, at 13:00 GMT / 14:00 CET. We expect that the procedure will take about 10 minutes to run each day.

We've also changed the order in which the different parts of the process happen, so that you will no longer see your player first lose his mark, and then get it back again a few minutes later if you're watching him while the update process is running.

Comments

tirelessbasher ty xbox, Sheepy United FC 14 April 2010, 14:48

super cool qustion though will we have bugs?

something new means loads bugs

Sam , Catonia town 14 April 2010, 14:53

Like the new transfer list, that has tons of bugs, even a huge huge bug that I've noticed and I've sent in a support ticket more than a week ago and haven't got a reply yet.

Jamie Carragher, The Town 14 April 2010, 14:57

Love it!

Lets hope fenerbache doesn't lose 200 billion on this one though....!

Patrick, National Legends 14 April 2010, 14:57

should be good but am worried about bugs aswell

Tato Batsikadze, FC Tbilisi United 14 April 2010, 15:49

it will lower the Talent price i guess

Yuki, Kashima Antlers (Deleted) 14 April 2010, 16:07

Is this only for T or W, Silver and Gold star also?

And is GMT the British or Denmark time? Need it to calculate my own time smiley

Rafa Devilwood, B D Portelas 14 April 2010, 16:13

that's useless and just going to complicate things. the players with 'T' will lose their value. If you want to do that then you must update the players price daily as well isn't it?!

TOM HUTCHINSON, tom chocolate team (Deleted) 14 April 2010, 16:59

Oh that sounds well good i can't believe you came up with that idea. It is very clever also now i can see if my players are on form or not. Plus it will be better for buying people because you can see if they are as good as their stats show.

Once again thanks

Help The Poor, STG FC 14 April 2010, 17:07

It should be gotten rid off all together as this will only complicate things because the mark will be useless as one day you buy a player with the mark for 500000
the next day he looses his mark so you sell for 75000 then he gains again and sell for 450000 this means that the player will move clubs often and not get a good training to get better.

It will complicate things as you don't know weather you will loosemoney or not and best to get rid of talents so managers can base value on training and not talent mark, the player will stay with 1 team for longer get better and means better players in a years time.

So get rid of talent marks but not sure about wonderkids.

Tom - mojo, AFC Barrowby 14 April 2010, 17:58

FC Sunnyvale wrote:
When we rolled out the improved version of the procedure we use for determining whether or not a player should get the Talent mark, we asked you guys if you'd like it if we were to perform the update of all the player marks daily.

The answer we got was a resounding YES, so we've been hammering away at the procedure, in order to make that happen.

So, starting next Monday, April 19th, player marks will be updated daily, at 13:00 GMT / 14:00 CET. We expect that the procedure will take about 10 minutes to run each day.

We've also changed the order in which the different parts of the process happen, so that you will no longer see your player first lose his mark, and then get it back again a few minutes later if you're watching him while the update process is running.

That's Great smiley

Im back from my holiday, Red Dwarf 14 April 2010, 18:16

I just think it will devalue the talent mark so people won't even bother buyin them as they don't know whether the player will keep the mark for that day. It will
mean a big turn around of players with them constantly being sold

gareth carless, carless xi 14 April 2010, 18:21

I agree with Stuart, a daily update of talent status is nonsensical. It will only make any sense if we understand clearly the basis on which a talent mark is created or deleted.... e.g. could a player lose his talent mark on a monday, but because of 2 good trainings tuesday and wednesday get it back on a thursday.

Ryan - See Profile, RHP 14 April 2010, 18:40

I love these new ideas. smiley

Very well done to the Developers. smiley

Inco, Kassulinhas 14 April 2010, 20:34

Its a bad idea ! If you wont do that, at list you have to give the players a week (1-season) then value the player through the season he had, give true value of the player, per season. And focus more players who have, (T&W) make them worth more money, I think that's why they have (T&W).Because the way you want to do daily ,players whit (T&W) will not be worth,nobody will want to buy a player with (T&W) today, to lose tomorrow.it is better not exist. And a think there are to many players whit (T&W) training very low, therefore, is that they are so cheap in the market..

Gopla, Strath Strikers 15 April 2010, 08:13

That is great

Duncan, Thor Lite 15 April 2010, 10:55

I personally think its a great idea, i'd rather the T be given or taken away at the end of the season though, more realistic if you think about it.

Liam, Force Pompey FC 15 April 2010, 13:08

oooooh i love it smiley

tony smith, tonys tiggers 15 April 2010, 14:25

seems ridiculous to me that a player can be talented one day then not the next and then again talented the day after that...... sorry but a daily assessment is destabilising to teams and makes a nonsense of the talent mark for me.

The weekly update created hopes expectation anticipation and joy or despair... I think this move has spoiled that.... Unreal unreal.... can't get my head around why/how this move really benefits the game.

Josh Luxon, Luxon United 15 April 2010, 22:18

fancy making all of my players amazing? smiley

asj millwall is a racist, Herne Hill FC 15 April 2010, 23:50

will it be training average over the last 5 days or so? or will it be just based on the most recent single training? if it's a 5 point moving average it will good (more predictable and Ts value will be higher)

Liam, Force Pompey FC 16 April 2010, 00:05

tonys tiggers wrote:
seems ridiculous to me that a player can be talented one day then not the next and then again talented the day after that...... sorry but a daily assessment is destabilising to teams and makes a nonsense of the talent mark for me.

The weekly update created hopes expectation anticipation and joy or despair... I think this move has spoiled that.... Unreal unreal.... can't get my head around why/how this move really benefits the game.

errm were does it say that smiley

tony smith, tonys tiggers 16 April 2010, 00:20

pompey.... if the statement is that players talent mark is assessed daily then thats what they will do.... how they evaluate who knows.... the players on this game certainly don't.

Rasmus Rønn Nielsen, The Dudes 16 April 2010, 09:25

Interesting. The Danish community is thrilled with the feature:
"Wow, now my players can potentially get a talent mark EACH day! smiley

"

The UK community, not so much:
"Damn, now my players can potentially lose its' talent mark EACH day! smiley

Rasmus Rønn Nielsen, The Dudes 16 April 2010, 09:26

Kashima Antlers wrote:
Is this only for T or W, Silver and Gold star also?

And is GMT the British or Denmark time? Need it to calculate my own time

Yes, all marks will be updated daily.

GMT is "London time" smiley

Rasmus Rønn Nielsen, The Dudes 16 April 2010, 09:28

B D Portelas wrote:
that's useless and just going to complicate things. the players with 'T' will lose their value. If you want to do that then you must update the players price daily as well isn't it?!

Yeah, good idea.

The problem is that the player value estimating is a lot more complicated than "just" calculating marks - it will hurt server performance if we were to update values daily.

However, we will keep this in mind as the game develops. Perhaps we can work it out somehow.

Rasmus Rønn Nielsen, The Dudes 16 April 2010, 09:32

STG FC wrote:
It should be gotten rid off all together as this will only complicate things because the mark will be useless as one day you buy a player with the mark for 500000
the next day he looses his mark so you sell for 75000 then he gains again and sell for 450000 this means that the player will move clubs often and not get a good training to get better.

I don't think you're right.

The new requirements of the talent mark will devaluate the mark itself. Thus, the difference between having the mark and not having the mark will decrease - which in turn will eliminate or at least mitigate what you describe above.

This has been one of the key reasons we did this: a player getting a mark does NOT make the player any better - therefore we see it as a bad thing the value fluctuates wildly because of the mark. The fluctuation will now be reduced which is exactly what is best for the game.

Rasmus Rønn Nielsen, The Dudes 16 April 2010, 09:33

carless xi wrote:
I agree with Stuart, a daily update of talent status is nonsensical. It will only make any sense if we understand clearly the basis on which a talent mark is created or deleted.... e.g. could a player lose his talent mark on a monday, but because of 2 good trainings tuesday and wednesday get it back on a thursday.

We have described the criteria for talent selection here. I hope it helps smiley

Dan, Dans Crusaders 16 April 2010, 09:57

The Dudes wrote:
B D Portelas wrote:
that's useless and just going to complicate things. the players with 'T' will lose their value. If you want to do that then you must update the players price daily as well isn't it?!
Yeah, good idea.

The problem is that the player value estimating is a lot more complicated than "just" calculating marks - it will hurt server performance if we were to update values daily.

However, we will keep this in mind as the game develops. Perhaps we can work it out somehow.

Sorry but you just can't take the X "T" Players value away just coz they lost the mark,the fact being he could regain the mark in another day or 2,and this would complicate things more...So for me value is fine.
And on another note Rasmus m8,i'm i led to believe that you are updating Ws n Stars on a daily basis.
Thanks Dan

Bot number one, DaCrushers 16 April 2010, 20:15

hmm, this will take away alot of the excitment and interest of getting a good update on a Sunday.... It was one of the things I actually really liked, if it happens everyday, then its not going to be the same.

Especially if values are also down on a daily basis.

Liam, Force Pompey FC 16 April 2010, 20:39

tonys tiggers wrote:
pompey.... if the statement is that players talent mark is assessed daily then thats what they will do.... how they evaluate who knows.... the players on this game certainly don't.

But were does it say they will take away the markes smiley

Dean Edwards, Hednesford Town 16 April 2010, 21:28

i and others i know have had players that have lost the talent mark since the new later updating of talents started a couple of weeks ago. I think you will find that talents can be lost

Gunna block people who disagree LOL, Hellas Verona FC 17 April 2010, 00:55

T's won't be worth hardly anything now, I sold one today and only got 75k. smiley

Ryan, Derby Rams 17 April 2010, 12:00

Kashima Antlers wrote:
Is this only for T or W, Silver and Gold star also?

And is GMT the British or Denmark time? Need it to calculate my own time

Britain are currently in BST (GMT +1 hour) Does that help?

Zhan Zhao, Bao Zheng 17 April 2010, 12:57

Does a player still need 5 first training for a T or 1?

Dean Edwards, Hednesford Town 17 April 2010, 12:58

yes the 5 minimum training rule applies

Nicolai - Logomager, FC Frenic 19 April 2010, 06:30

Fint nok

Liam, Force Pompey FC 23 April 2010, 20:49

The Dudes wrote:
Interesting. The Danish community is thrilled with the feature:
"Wow, now my players can potentially get a talent mark EACH day! "

The UK community, not so much:
"Damn, now my players can potentially lose its' talent mark EACH day! "

no man im in the Uk but i love this feature smiley

Daniel Razey, Razey Rovers 5 May 2010, 00:02

The Dudes wrote:
Interesting. The Danish community is thrilled with the feature:
"Wow, now my players can potentially get a talent mark EACH day! "

The UK community, not so much:
"Damn, now my players can potentially lose its' talent mark EACH day! "

well english people tend to be pestimistic
like the half empty or half full galss