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Final Whistle (join) 5 January 2021, 18:36
So there were 3 goals against me this match and just wanted to see what everyone thinks:
https://www.virtualmanager.com/new_matches/81844972

1st one is due to a wrong pass backwards inside the penalty area while the tactics is offensive, I find that this is completely wrong, plus DM has 89 Passing.
2nd and 3rd goals are from what I consider to be a set piece situation( throw-in). First of all how come the defenders positioning is so wrong? Second of all how come a player with 55 Set pieces score 2 goals against the 86 skill in One on One, weren't the two supposed to be compared? How big is the random factor?
Also how many times can my 95 Finishing forward shoot and not score against a 72 average GK skill?


Whittall United (Grant) 6 January 2021, 12:08
You still trying to work the match sim out, despite telling you numerous times, you're wasting your time.

Not looked at the goals, because its just not showing what actually happens, so no point looking.

We would all like to be able to use the sim to benefit ourselves, reality is, it doesn't help in anyway, just creates frustration if anything.

Final Whistle (join) 6 January 2021, 14:33
Whittall United wrote:
You still trying to work the match sim out, despite telling you numerous times, you're wasting your time.

Not looked at the goals, because its just not showing what actually happens, so no point looking.

We would all like to be able to use the sim to benefit ourselves, reality is, it doesn't help in anyway, just creates frustration if anything.
Yes, I'm a perfectionist that way, with a touch of OCD smiley
Plus Dennis just recently said that the only 'real' match simulation is during the 2-3 minutes displayed in the match viewer. It might not be perfect but it is real. Hopefully soon he'll add more insight into player's actions and decision as he declared in forums and blog posts. until then all we have is taking educated guesses, based on what happens most often.

Whittall United (Grant) 6 January 2021, 16:31
FC Viitorul Constanta wrote:
Whittall United wrote:
You still trying to work the match sim out, despite telling you numerous times, you're wasting your time.

Not looked at the goals, because its just not showing what actually happens, so no point looking.

We would all like to be able to use the sim to benefit ourselves, reality is, it doesn't help in anyway, just creates frustration if anything.
Yes, I'm a perfectionist that way, with a touch of OCD smiley
Plus Dennis just recently said that the only 'real' match simulation is during the 2-3 minutes displayed in the match viewer. It might not be perfect but it is real. Hopefully soon he'll add more insight into player's actions and decision as he declared in forums and blog posts. until then all we have is taking educated guesses, based on what happens most often.
Its not real if it doesn't represent whats actually happening, which i think we all can agree, it doesnt really do that.

The old match sim seemed to represent better than what we currently have and that was 2d and believe it or not, it was a better watch smiley

We shouldn't have to make an educated guess and hopefully in the future we don't have to smiley

I personally would watch the matches if there was something to be gained from it, but i won't waste my time on it right now.

To the future, one with a relatable match sim smiley

Final Whistle (join) 27 January 2021, 21:42
What I noticed by watching a lot of matches:

1. General positioning of players in the beginning of each action is respected, but sometimes the players are loosely positioned which accounts for a lot of goals that are unexpected, where the forward finds itself 1vs1 with the keeper despite a Defender that should have been near, since the beginning of the action, no pass was involved, or if it was it's not displayed in the match sim.
2. Defensive makes player's positioning maybe half a position lower than the actual formation, and park the bus about 1 full position lower. It also restricts how much players advance with the ball (which is completely wrong but I'll get to that later). Ultra defensive almost never goes for counter attack which makes it more dangerous to play since the defenders generally pass between themselves, accounting for another significant part of the unexplained goals in the games.
3. Shoot on sight was the only sensible choice to use, otherwise you most likely don't get a decent shot all matches, no matter how you try and exploit defensive weaknesses in opponent's defense.
4. Seems a lot of energy is lost during the game, but players don't seem to be affected by it. players with 20% energy and half my player's rating and with 75% energy scored against my team which makes me doubt that all skills are affected by energy loss or just the running with the ball/tackling.
5. At least one of defensive players runs towards the player with the ball, leaving you with situations where your DC is at the middle of the field tackling and opponent's forwards remain 1vs1 with your keeper, again accounting for an important part of the goal. so despite being in front of the player with the ball, the pass goes through the player as if he's not there. There is no zonal marking (or option to man mark) which makes defending quite a challenging situation, where all that counts is player rating and randomness in both initial positioning(covered earlier) and the battle between skills adjusted with randomness value.
6. Offsides are so random! Played one advanced FC that never got caught up in offside while the FR that was on the same level as opponent's defenders in the lineup was offside once: https://www.virtualmanager.com/new_matches/82495429
7. Ball possession is random, got 52% in an away match against a stronger team but despite that he had 7/6 shoots/on sight vs 2/1. Needless to say that I lost 2-1
8. Defenders seem to never see a way to pass to midfield or pass long balls while under pressure. This is not what real life player do, especially central defenders don't joke around with risky passes.
9. Playing without a player or with a weaker player doesn't seem to impact the game too much. Only defenders that are 1vs1 with stronger forward are the exception to the rule. but seems midfielders are useless except for calculating ball possession and chance distribution but even there the random factor can overcome this lack. I struggled to win against a 10 player's team more than once, despite him missing a side midfielder or central one.
10. Some matches you can clearly see you'll going to lose. It seems somehow that the streak of bad luck during actions stretches from one to another, and after 2-3 actions I just skip to the and and there it is, a loss. a very frustrating loss where he scores because your forwards pass 2 times to their forwards! This is unacceptable and made me want to quit the game more than once.
11. Energy drain is based on opponent's level, so playing in higher division against better opponents somehow makes your players more tired from running the same distances smiley . I estimate you need around 80 Stamina in 1st division 70 in 2nd and 60 in 3rd


Final Whistle (join) 28 January 2021, 19:38
Explain this: better midfield, home advantage, 43% Ball possession, match lost smiley
https://www.virtualmanager.com/new_matches/82495786/summary
Shots
4-9
Shots on target
3-6
Ball possession
43%-57%
Yellow cards
0-0
Red cards
0-0

Braziliance (Bobby S) 29 January 2021, 14:35
FC Viitorul Constanta wrote:
Explain this: better midfield, home advantage, 43% Ball possession, match lost smiley
https://www.virtualmanager.com/new_matches/82495786/summary
Shots
4-9
Shots on target
3-6
Ball possession
43%-57%
Yellow cards
0-0
Red cards
0-0
we all have games like that

mine had more of everything and home but still lost , it is what it is

https://www.virtualmanager.com/new_matches/82496767/summary

Final Whistle (join) 29 January 2021, 17:26
Braziliance wrote:
FC Viitorul Constanta wrote:
Explain this: better midfield, home advantage, 43% Ball possession, match lost smiley
https://www.virtualmanager.com/new_matches/82495786/summary
Shots
4-9
Shots on target
3-6
Ball possession
43%-57%
Yellow cards
0-0
Red cards
0-0
we all have games like that

mine had more of everything and home but still lost , it is what it is

https://www.virtualmanager.com/new_matches/82496767/summary
That's not the same case.
Here is again another example, better midfield, more midfielders 4vs3 home match, lower ball possession, match draw.

I'm not questioning the result just the weird ball possession that should be home advantage and it's not!
https://www.virtualmanager.com/new_matches/82496356/summary
Shots
7 - 3
Shots on target
5 - 1
Ball possession
44% - 56%
Yellow cards
0 - 0
Red cards
0 - 1

Final Whistle (join) 29 January 2021, 18:07
After 3rd match I'm starting to think this is no coincidence, there must be other factors at play, maybe the passing and dribbling of defenders and forwards are also counted towards possession
https://www.virtualmanager.com/new_matches/82496582/summary
8 - 4
Shots on target
5 - 3
Ball possession
42% - 58%
Yellow cards
0 - 1
Red cards
0 - 0

Anyone has any ideea?

Final Whistle (join) 31 January 2021, 15:25
Now the other side, better possession but non existant keeper, what a f#!ng disgrace !
https://www.virtualmanager.com/new_matches/82497529/summary
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