Two terror attacks in a week!

United of Newcastle FC wrote:

Not all muslims are bad though. Some muslims are really nice.

Exactly. Which is also implied by my statement. Yet we need to realize that a significant subset of followers within the religion of Islam are to blame for these attacks, and not fool ourselves onto thinking this has nothing to do with deeply held religious beliefs.

Large Hadron Collider wrote:

United of Newcastle FC wrote:

Not all muslims are bad though. Some muslims are really nice.

Exactly. Which is also implied by my statement. Yet we need to realize that a significant subset of followers within the religion of Islam are to blame for these attacks, and not fool ourselves onto thinking this has nothing to do with deeply held religious beliefs.

Yea. I still wonder why people have the stereotype that all Islam followers are terrorists.

Most Muslims are decent people. You could argue that Islamist terrorists are not Muslim they hide behind the religion to carry out mass murder. They are terrorists pure and simple. They murder many Muslim people as well. Their ideology goes against the teachings of Islam.

Dukinfield FC wrote:

AZ Magma wrote:

Rhythm FC wrote:

Thoughts go out to all those affected by tragedies such as this but you have to remember that all sorts of attacks happen on a daily basis around the world. It's a really shitty situation but what that's just the way things are. Even in other 'western' countries you need to carry a firearm with you just to feel safe. Just be grateful we live in one of the safest countries in the world

we used to live in the safest country in the world and police will possibly be forced to carry firearms from now

Won't happen. We don't need every copper to carry a firearm. There is enough armed response police to deal with any situation. Just happens that the policeman in parliament was not armed but that will probably change.

No matter how many guns you give the police it wont stop some deranged individual doing what they did. In the grand scheme of things we have done well in the fact much worse has not happened in a long time. All credit should go to our security services.

The policeman would have shot him in the head and still be alive if he was carrying firearms

Maybe a passing officer would have shot the driver and saved some lives who knows...

Dukinfield FC wrote:

Most Muslims are decent people. You could argue that Islamist terrorists are not Muslim they hide behind the religion to carry out mass murder. They are terrorists pure and simple. They murder many Muslim people as well. Their ideology goes against the teachings of Islam.

I do get the impression this bloke had mental issues if you read about his past

This wasn't a planned attack by Isis just some line butter

Most bombers are off their but on heroin when they commit these bombings!

AZ Magma wrote:

Dukinfield FC wrote:

Most Muslims are decent people. You could argue that Islamist terrorists are not Muslim they hide behind the religion to carry out mass murder. They are terrorists pure and simple. They murder many Muslim people as well. Their ideology goes against the teachings of Islam.

I do get the impression this bloke had mental issues if you read about his past

This wasn't a planned attack by Isis just some line butter

Most bombers are off their but on heroin when they commit these bombings!

But wasn't he radicalised in prison?

Dukinfield FC wrote:

Most Muslims are decent people. You could argue that Islamist terrorists are not Muslim they hide behind the religion to carry out mass murder. They are terrorists pure and simple. They murder many Muslim people as well. Their ideology goes against the teachings of Islam.

You have to recognize that different religions harbor different beliefs and these beliefs matter. Islam in its current unreformed version has particularly dangerous doctrines with regards to jihad, martyrdom and paradise, and these specific beliefs cause specific behavior.


Muslims all over the world need to realize that the Quran is not the literal word of the creator of the universe, that freedom of speech trumps blasphemy laws any day and that we in the non-muslim world have every right to depict and ridicule their prophet, just like we ridicule any other. Until that day comes muslims and the west will continue to be at odds with each other.

AZ Magma wrote:

Dukinfield FC wrote:

AZ Magma wrote:

Rhythm FC wrote:

Thoughts go out to all those affected by tragedies such as this but you have to remember that all sorts of attacks happen on a daily basis around the world. It's a really shitty situation but what that's just the way things are. Even in other 'western' countries you need to carry a firearm with you just to feel safe. Just be grateful we live in one of the safest countries in the world

we used to live in the safest country in the world and police will possibly be forced to carry firearms from now

Won't happen. We don't need every copper to carry a firearm. There is enough armed response police to deal with any situation. Just happens that the policeman in parliament was not armed but that will probably change.

No matter how many guns you give the police it wont stop some deranged individual doing what they did. In the grand scheme of things we have done well in the fact much worse has not happened in a long time. All credit should go to our security services.

The policeman would have shot him in the head and still be alive if he was carrying firearms

Maybe a passing officer would have shot the driver and saved some lives who knows...

Armed response police do not carry guns in their pocket ready to fire. Far as i know they are kept under lock and key until their use is authorised or necessary. So in the case of the driver i don't think there would have been enough time to make a difference.

I think having an American style firearm policing would be bad idea and possibly encourage more criminals to take up firearms. If you were a criminal and you knew that every police had a firearm on them then you would probably take more desperate measures to escape.

Large Hadron Collider wrote:

Dukinfield FC wrote:

Most Muslims are decent people. You could argue that Islamist terrorists are not Muslim they hide behind the religion to carry out mass murder. They are terrorists pure and simple. They murder many Muslim people as well. Their ideology goes against the teachings of Islam.

You have to recognize that different religions harbor different beliefs and these beliefs matter. Islam in its current unreformed version has particularly dangerous doctrines with regards to jihad, martyrdom and paradise, and these specific beliefs cause specific behavior.


Muslims all over the world need to realize that the Quran is not the literal word of the creator of the universe, that freedom of speech trumps blasphemy laws any day and that we in the non-muslim world have every right to depict and ridicule their prophet, just like we ridicule any other. Until that day comes muslims and the west will continue to be at odds with each other.

Muslims are victims of these terrorists too arguably far more than us in the west. If you don't follow their nonsense ideology they will kill you if you are Muslim or not. They are not Muslims they are terrorists and murderers. Islam does not teach terror and murder. It certainly doesn't tell you to kill other Muslims.

Muslim people feel quite strongly that you should not ridicule their prophet or any other prophet for that matter and that is their belief. It doesn't mean that they condone barbaric attacks in retaliation. But they do have every right to respond and defend what they believe in.

If you want to talk about why we in the west are targets of terrorism then perhaps we should be asking ourselves what we have done to destabalise the middle east. Two Iraq wars, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Syria and Tunisia. We the west have a lot to answer for in the way we have interfered and left these countries. It's probably not hard to radicalise someone when you live in a country that lacks a stable government and security. Your home and town is destroyed and half your family. You can no longer find a job to feed yourself or your family. You got no one else to turn to. There was never any plan for what happens next.

So are you saying 2 wrongs make a right then Geoff? You seem to be condoning what happens because of what the arm forces did in their country.